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Why 80% of Home Service Businesses Fail in 5 Years
By: Michael Fox
on January 31, 2026

Why 80% Of Home Service Businesses Fail In 5 Years

Introduction

Home service businesses—like HVAC, plumbing, and electrical companies—face some of the highest failure rates in the small business world. This article explains why nearly 80% of these businesses don’t make it to year five, who this guide is for (owners, managers, and aspiring entrepreneurs), and why understanding these pitfalls is crucial for long-term success. Roughly 80% of home service businesses in HVAC, plumbing, and electrical don’t survive past year five—and it’s almost never because the owner lacks technical skill.

Key Takeaways

  • According to industry data, approximately 50% of home service businesses fail within their first five years, and about 20% fail in the first year. This means only about half of new home service businesses remain operational after five years.
  • The real killers are poor pricing, weak financial controls, no documented systems, and owners who stay stuck as “super techs” instead of becoming leaders.
  • The single biggest reason contractors fail in years three through five is not knowing their numbers. Undercharging, ignoring job costs, and running blind without weekly KPIs creates a slow cash bleed that catches up with even the busiest shops.
  • This article comes from a business coach perspective, working with contractors every week, plus real-world lessons from companies like Quality Heating, Cooling, Plumbing & Electric in Wisconsin—a family-owned shop that’s been operating since 1961 while competitors disappear.
  • You’ll walk away with practical, concrete fixes: what numbers to track weekly, what systems to build first, and how to shift from working in the business to working on it as a leader.
  • The article ends with a 90-day action plan and FAQ answering common questions about tools like ServiceTitan, Housecall Pro, and Jobber, when to raise prices, and when to hire help.

Why So Many HVAC, Plumbing, and Electrical Companies Don’t Make It to Year 5

According to U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data tracking businesses from 2019 to 2024, about half of all small businesses are gone by year five. For home service businesses, the picture is often grimmer—industry estimates put failure rates closer to 70–80% due to thin margins, seasonal swings, and operational chaos that comes with scaling a trade-based company. Here’s the uncomfortable truth: most owners are excellent technicians but were never taught how to price jobs for profit, read financials, lead people, or build systems. So the business stalls as it grows. Revenue goes up, but so do headaches. Trucks get added, but cash gets tighter. And somewhere around year three or four, the wheels come off. Consider a two-truck HVAC shop in Milwaukee that grows fast on top-line revenue but runs out of cash every summer. Why? They underbid installs to “stay competitive,” they don’t collect deposits on big jobs, and nobody tracks whether each call actually makes money. The owner works 70-hour weeks, and the business is technically growing—right up until it isn’t. The rest of this article breaks down the main reasons home service businesses fail and what you can do in the next 90 days to change direction. The most common reasons home service businesses fail within five years include cash flow problems, underpricing, lack of business management skills, insufficient marketing, inadequate starting capital, and inconsistent operational systems.
An HVAC technician is diligently working on an outdoor air conditioning unit under a bright, sunny sky, showcasing the essential home service business that helps maintain comfortable living environments. This scene highlights the importance of quality services in the HVAC industry, where attention to detail can prevent common pitfalls that lead to home service businesses failing.

An HVAC technician is diligently working on an outdoor air conditioning unit under a bright, sunny sky, showcasing the essential home service business that helps maintain comfortable living environments. This scene highlights the importance of quality services in the HVAC industry, where attention to detail can prevent common pitfalls that lead to home service businesses failing.

Vision and Goal-Setting: The Foundation for Long-Term Success

One of the most overlooked reasons home service businesses fail is the lack of a clear vision and concrete goals. In a fast-moving industry where it’s easy to get caught up in the day-to-day grind, having a well-defined vision gives your service business direction and purpose. It’s the “why” behind everything you do, shaping your company’s culture, influencing decisions, and helping you stand out from competitors who are just chasing the next job. A strong vision isn’t just a slogan on the wall—it’s a guiding principle that keeps your team aligned and focused, especially when challenges arise. It helps you make smarter choices about where to invest your time and resources, ensuring every move supports your long-term growth and core values. But vision alone isn’t enough. To truly scale your home service business and boost your profit margin, you need to set specific, measurable, achievable, relevant, and time-bound (SMART) goals. These goals act as stepping stones, turning your vision into actionable plans that drive results. When your objectives are clear and tied to your company’s core values, you create a roadmap for success that everyone on your team can follow. Many home service businesses that fail do so because they lack this roadmap. Without clear goals, it’s easy to waste energy on non-essential activities, lose focus, and miss out on opportunities to develop and grow. That’s why working with a business coach or mentor can be a game-changer—they provide personalized guidance, help you clarify your vision, and hold you accountable to the goals you set. Remember, goal-setting isn’t a one-and-done task. The most successful companies regularly review and adjust their goals to stay aligned with their evolving vision and the realities of the market. This flexibility allows your business to adapt, innovate, and continue delivering high-quality home service, even as the industry changes. By making vision and goal-setting a top priority, you lay the groundwork for long-term success. You’ll create a business that not only survives but thrives—one that’s built to scale, increase profit margin, and avoid the common pitfalls that cause so many home service businesses to fail.

Importance of Personal Development for Home Service Owners

Personal development isn’t just a buzzword—it’s a critical factor that separates thriving home service businesses from those that fail within five years. As a home service owner, your business can only grow as much as you do. The industry is constantly evolving, and the ability to adapt, learn, and lead is what keeps your company ahead of the curve. Investing in personal development means actively working on your leadership skills, decision-making, and emotional intelligence. It’s about developing a growth mindset—seeing challenges as opportunities to learn rather than obstacles. When you focus on personal development, you become better at setting a vision, communicating with your team, and making tough calls that protect your profit margin and core values.

Reason #1: Undercharging and Not Knowing Your Numbers

Not knowing your numbers is the single biggest reason HVAC, plumbing, and electrical contractors fail in the first three to five years. It’s not flashy. It doesn’t make for dramatic stories. But it’s the silent killer that takes down otherwise talented tradespeople every week. Most owners price based on “what the other guys charge” instead of building a real budget and profit target. This guarantees thin margins and constant cash strain. If you’re matching competitors who are also running on fumes, you’re just racing to see who goes broke first. Critical numbers an owner should track weekly:
  • Average ticket by department (service vs. install)
  • Gross margin by department (target 50%+ on service, 35–40% on install)
  • Labor as a percentage of revenue
  • Marketing spend versus leads generated
  • Booking rate (calls that become scheduled jobs)
  • Close rate (estimates that become sold jobs)
  • Net profit (the bottom line after everything)
Here’s a concrete example: A $500 service call that costs $420 to deliver in labor, parts, and overhead leaves you $80. That’s a 16% margin. Now factor in callbacks, warranty claims, and one slow week—and you’re underwater. The tech feels busy. The owner feels busy. But the business is bleeding. Guessing at pricing is like driving a service truck blindfolded in January in Milwaukee. You might get lucky for a while, but eventually you hit something hard.

How to Fix Your Pricing and Financial Management

Build a simple annual budget. Start with a realistic revenue goal, then work backward. What are your direct costs (labor, parts, materials)? What’s your overhead (rent, insurance, trucks, office staff)? Build in at least 10–15% target net profit margin—not whatever’s left over. Review your price book line by line. If your gross margin on a service call or repair is below 50%, raise the price. If install margins are below 35–40%, your bids are too low. This isn’t about gouging customers—it’s about running a sustainable business that can afford to hire good people and deliver quality work. Use tools that track job costs automatically. Platforms like ServiceTitan, Housecall Pro, Jobber, or even QuickBooks with proper job costing setup let you see exactly what each call actually earns. No more guessing. Mini case study: A plumbing contractor in the Midwest raised their average ticket by $125 simply by updating their flat-rate pricing menu and training techs on presenting good-better-best options. Same number of calls, same team—just better pricing discipline. Their net profit jumped from 4% to 11% in one year.

Reason #2: Poor Cash Flow and Money Management

Profit on paper doesn’t matter if you can’t make payroll on Friday. Cash flow kills more contractors than competition ever does. Seasonal swings hit home service businesses hard, especially in markets like Southeastern Wisconsin. HVAC companies see heavy install income in summer and winter peaks, with shoulder seasons that barely cover overhead. Without planning, owners end up maxing out credit cards by October and scrambling to catch up by December. Common cash flow mistakes:
  • Offering net-30 terms on big jobs without requiring deposits
  • Paying vendors faster than customers pay you
  • Mixing personal and business spending
  • Financing growth with credit cards at 20%+ interest
  • Not tracking when cash actually hits the bank versus when revenue is “booked”
Even companies doing $1–2 million in annual revenue can fail in year four or five because they grew revenue without managing cash conversion. Revenue is vanity. Profit is sanity. Cash is reality.

Practical Cash Flow Fixes for Home Service Contractors

  • Require deposits on big jobs. 30–50% down on system replacements, generators, and large plumbing projects before you order equipment. This isn’t unusual—customers expect it.
  • Create a weekly cash flow forecast. Look six to eight weeks ahead. Include expected receivables, payroll, rent, insurance, and vendor payments. If you see a gap, you have time to act.
  • Build a cash reserve. Target at least one month of operating expenses. Carve off a percentage of every deposit into a separate account and treat it as untouchable.
  • Automate invoicing and payment collection. Modern CRMs can send invoices, reminders, and payment links automatically. Shortening the time between job completion and cash in the bank is free money.
  • Stop financing growth with high-interest debt. If you’re using credit cards to cover operating expenses, that’s a warning sign to fix pricing and collections first.
Practical Cash Flow Fixes for Home Service Contractors A business owner is seated at a desk, intently reviewing financial documents alongside a laptop, reflecting on the challenges faced by home service businesses that often fail within five years. The scene emphasizes the importance of understanding financial health and core values in managing a successful service business.

Reason #3: No Systems, SOPs, or Field Management Platform

Many owners let “the inmates run the asylum.” Each tech runs calls their own way. Pricing gets made up in the field. Paperwork is an afterthought—or doesn’t happen at all. The lack of documented SOPs leads directly to inconsistent quality, callbacks, and bad reviews on Google and Yelp. Those bad reviews hurt lead flow, which hurts revenue, which makes everything harder. Without a platform like ServiceTitan, Housecall Pro, or Jobber—or at least a structured manual process—owners can’t see booking rates, close rates, or job profitability in one place. They’re managing by feel instead of data. Specific processes that must be standardized:
  • Call handling and booking scripts
  • Dispatching and scheduling
  • On-site customer experience (arrival, walkthrough, options presentation)
  • Estimate presentation and follow-up
  • Maintenance visit checklists
  • Collections and payment processing
A case study from a Midwestern HVAC contractor showed annual losses of $150,000 from inconsistent quoting alone. After implementing SOPs for estimates and training techs on a standard presentation, their close rate jumped 40% in year one. Same leads, same team—just a documented process.

How to Build SOPs That Your Team Actually Follows

Start with the top ten recurring activities that drive revenue and reputation:
  1. Answering the phone
  2. Booking the call
  3. Running a diagnostic service call
  4. Presenting repair options
  5. Presenting replacement options
  6. Handling after-hours emergencies
  7. Maintenance visit walkthrough
  8. Follow-up on unsold estimates
  9. Collecting payment
  10. Asking for reviews
Keep SOPs simple. One-page checklists or step-by-step flows that fit on a single sheet. Nobody reads 40-page binders. Your techs need something they can glance at before walking into a home. Record your best performers. With permission, ride along and record one of your best techs on a call. Turn that into a written and video training module inside your chosen platform. Real examples beat theoretical training every time. Track the impact. Measure booking rate, average response time, and callback percentage before and after SOP rollout. When your team sees the numbers improve, buy-in goes up. Quality Heating, Cooling, Plumbing & Electric has used consistent processes since the 1960s as part of how it stays in business for decades while competitors vanish within five years. Systems aren’t bureaucracy—they’re survival.

Reason #4: Weak Marketing, Targeting, and Lead Management

Trying to serve “everyone” in your city leads to bland marketing, wasted ad spend, and phones that only ring when there’s an emergency cold snap. Many contractors rely only on word of mouth and seasonal spikes. They have no defined ideal customer profile, no follow-up on unsold estimates, and no tracking of cost per lead. When asked which marketing channels work best, they shrug. Consider an electrical contractor in 2024 spending $5,000 per month on Google Ads without tracking which campaigns drive booked jobs. They can’t cut losers or scale winners because they don’t know which is which. That’s not marketing—that’s gambling. Marketing and lead management mistakes that sink shops:
  • No tracking of where leads come from
  • No follow-up system for unsold estimates
  • Untrained CSRs who answer the phone without scripts
  • Slow response times (calling back leads hours or days later)
  • No optimization of Google Business Profile or local SEO
  • Booking rates below 50% because of poor call handling
According to industry data, about 14% of small business failures tie directly to poor marketing. In home services, that shows up as empty schedules despite spending money on ads.

Dialing In Target Marketing and Call Handling

Define your ideal customer. Homeowners in specific zip codes, homes of a certain age, preferred job types like furnace replacements, water heaters, or panel upgrades. Focus on customers with strong lifetime value—not just anyone with a pulse. Set up simple lead tracking. Every lead source gets tagged in your CRM. Run weekly reports on leads, booked jobs, revenue by source, and cost per lead. If you can’t measure it, you can’t improve it. Create basic CSR scripts. Cover how to answer the phone, overcome common objections (“Can you just give me a ballpark?”), and secure a booked appointment the same day when possible. Benchmark your booking rate. Aim for 80%+ on true service leads with trained CSRs and clear SOPs. If you’re below 60%, that’s a training and process problem—not a lead quality problem. Do the math. Even one extra booked call per day at an average ticket of $600 adds up to $156,000 in annual revenue. That can be the difference between surviving year five and shutting the doors.
Dialing In Target Marketing and Call Handling

A customer service representative is engaged in a phone call while seated at an office desk, surrounded by office supplies and a computer. This scene highlights the importance of effective communication in service businesses, as many home service businesses fail within five years due to inadequate customer engagement and support.

Reason #5: Owner Stuck as “Super Tech” Instead of CEO

The skill set that gets you from a truck to a two-truck shop is not the same skill set that builds a healthy, profitable $3–5 million company. Most owners don’t realize this until they’re burned out and bitter. The super tech trap looks like this: the owner runs calls all day, then does quotes, payroll, and inventory at night. There’s never time to hire properly, train the team, or think strategically. Every day is reactive. This leads to burnout around years three through five, missed family time, health problems, and eventually the “for sale” or “going out of business” sign. Many owners keep doing installs and repairs because it feels safe and familiar. Running a diagnostic or installing a furnace—that’s their comfort zone. Leadership, coaching, and reviewing financials? That feels uncomfortable, so it gets pushed off indefinitely. I see this pattern constantly as a business coach for contractors. The technical skills that got you here won’t get you where you want to go.

Making the Shift from Technician to Leader

Set a specific date. Within the next six to twelve months, commit to being out of the field at least 80% of the time. Put it on the calendar. Tell your team. Hire before you feel ready. Bring on one more tech before you’re drowning. Train a lead tech or field supervisor. Delegate installs and routine service calls first—keep the complex stuff until you have backup. Block “CEO time” every week. Two to three hours minimum. Review your numbers. Refine your SOPs. Coach your team. Phone off, no tools in hand. Invest in your own personal development. Leadership is a skill you can learn. Read books. Join a peer group with other contractors. Work with a business coach who understands the home service industry. The long-term goal: a business that runs profitably without you on every single call. Measure success by how many days the shop operates at 90%+ effectiveness without you being there.

Reason #6: Hiring the Wrong People and Keeping Them Too Long

Bad hires and weak culture quietly sink many shops between years two and five, even when the phones are ringing. Common people problems that lead to failure:
  • Hiring “warm bodies” with a license but poor attitude
  • Tolerating toxic behavior because “he’s my best installer”
  • Never defining core values or clear expectations
  • No onboarding process—just “ride along with Dave for a week”
  • Keeping underperformers for months (or years) hoping they’ll improve
  • No regular feedback or coaching conversations
The cost of turnover in home services is brutal: lost callbacks, lost customers, wasted training time, and damaged reputation in tight local markets like Greater Milwaukee. Industry data shows about 25% annual turnover in small contractor shops, with 60% of companies retaining under five employees. When you don’t have SOPs and clear training, your good techs leave for more organized competitors. They want a career path, not chaos. The ones who stay are often the ones who can’t find anything better.

Building a Team That Can Grow with Your Business

Write out your company values. What behaviors are non-negotiable? What’s worth firing someone over, regardless of skill? Hire and fire based on values alignment, not just technical ability. Create a real onboarding path:
  • Week 1: Ride-alongs with your best tech
  • Weeks 2–4: Supervised calls with checklists
  • Day 30, 60, 90: Formal check-ins with clear performance metrics
Schedule regular one-on-ones. Even 15 minutes weekly with each tech builds trust, catches problems early, and keeps the team aligned with where the company is headed. Show a growth path. Helpers become techs. Techs become leads. Leads become managers. When good people see a future, they stay. When they don’t, they leave for a competitor who offers one. A stable, trained team is one of the main reasons a company like Quality Heating, Cooling, Plumbing & Electric has been able to serve Southeastern Wisconsin since 1961 while other shops appear and disappear every few years.
Building a Team That Can Grow with Your Business

A team of technicians is gathered in a warehouse for a morning meeting, discussing strategies to enhance their home service business. They are focused on core values and personal development, aiming to improve engagement and site statistics to ensure their services thrive in a competitive market where many businesses fail.

Overcoming Growth Barriers in Home Services

Every home service business hits growth barriers—whether it’s limited resources, fierce competition, or shifting customer expectations. The difference between businesses that fail and those that thrive is how owners respond to these challenges. To break through these barriers, you need a strategic approach that goes beyond just working harder. Start by investing in technology that streamlines your operations, such as field management platforms that help you track outages and protect against spam fraud and abuse. Next, focus on marketing: develop targeted campaigns that reach your ideal customers, and use data to tailor your messaging and offers. Don’t overlook the importance of customer experience. Home service businesses that deliver and maintain high-quality service, respond quickly, and personalize content and ads based on past activity build stronger relationships and earn more repeat business. Partnering with other local businesses and suppliers can also open new doors and help you scale. By staying proactive and innovative, you can overcome the common growth barriers that cause so many home service businesses to fail. Remember, the most successful owners are always looking for ways to develop, improve, and deliver more value to their customers.

Staying Focused: Avoiding Distractions and Shiny Object Syndrome

In the fast-paced world of home service, it’s easy to get distracted by the latest trends, new tools, or endless notifications. Shiny object syndrome—constantly chasing the next big thing—can leave your business scattered and unfocused, making it harder to achieve your goals. To keep your home service business on track, it’s essential to set clear priorities and stick to them. Limit distractions by turning off unnecessary notifications, setting specific times to check email or social media, and blocking out time for deep work. Use tools and data to measure audience engagement and site statistics to understand what’s actually moving the needle for your business. When evaluating new opportunities, ask yourself: Does this align with my core values and business goals? Will it help me deliver and maintain Google-level quality of service, or is it just a distraction? By staying focused, you’ll make better decisions, use your resources more effectively, and avoid the pitfalls that cause so many home service businesses to fail.

Learning and Improvement: Building a Culture of Growth

A culture of continuous learning and improvement is the backbone of every successful home service business. In an industry where customer needs and technology are always changing, businesses that fail to adapt quickly fall behind. Encourage your team to embrace a growth mindset—where mistakes are seen as opportunities to learn, not reasons for blame. Provide regular training, whether it’s through full video modules, hands-on workshops, or peer-to-peer coaching. Use engagement and site statistics to understand where your team excels and where there’s room for improvement. Foster innovation by allowing employees to experiment with new ideas and share feedback openly. Recognize and reward those who take initiative to improve processes or customer experience. When your business is committed to learning and improvement, you’ll be better equipped to meet customer expectations, enhance the quality of those services, and stay ahead of competitors.

Expert Insights: What Top Home Service Owners Do Differently

What sets the best home service owners apart from the rest? It’s not just technical skill—it’s a strategic approach to business, relentless focus on customer experience, and a willingness to innovate. Top owners invest in the latest technologies to deliver and measure the effectiveness of ads, track outages, and protect their operations. They develop targeted marketing campaigns based on data, not guesswork, and use cookies and data to tailor the experience for their customers. These leaders build strong relationships with both customers and partners, ensuring their service business stands out in a crowded market. They also prioritize personal development, regularly seeking out new knowledge and working with a business coach or peer group. By focusing on operational efficiency, marketing, and continuous improvement, these owners create businesses that not only survive but thrive—no matter how tough the industry gets. If you want your home service business to beat the odds, follow the example of these top performers: develop your skills, invest in your team, and never stop looking for ways to deliver more value to your customers.

How to Beat the Odds: A Simple 90-Day Plan

The 80% five-year failure rate is real. But it’s not fate. Owners who get serious about numbers, systems, and leadership can flip the script. Instead of trying to fix everything at once, focus on a 90-day sprint that hits a few high-impact areas hard.

Month 1: Get Your Numbers Straight

  • Clean up your financials. Know exactly what you made last month—and what you kept.
  • Identify your basic KPIs: average ticket, gross margin, booking rate, close rate.
  • Raise prices on any service or repair where your gross margin is below 50%.
  • Set up simple tracking for lead sources and booked jobs in your CRM or spreadsheet.

Month 2: Document and Enforce Your SOPs

  • Write one-page SOPs for call handling, running a service call, and presenting estimates.
  • Train the team on these SOPs. Role-play. Record examples.
  • Start enforcing standardized processes using your field management tool.
  • Track booking rate and close rate weekly to see if training is working.

Month 3: Start Stepping Back

  • Get out of the field at least one day per week. Use that day for numbers review, coaching, and strategic planning.
  • Start regular team meetings—weekly or biweekly.
  • Address one key hiring or culture issue you’ve been avoiding. Make the hard call.
Consider outside help. A coach, peer group, or experienced contractor who’s been through this transition can keep you accountable and shorten the learning curve. You don’t have to figure it all out alone.

FAQ: Avoiding the 5-Year Failure Trap in Home Services

Do I really need a field management system like ServiceTitan or Housecall Pro to survive?

You can survive without these tools at very small scale—one truck, maybe two. But once you pass that point, a proper system becomes critical for tracking calls, dispatching, invoicing, and KPIs. The exact platform matters less than having one source of truth for leads, jobs, revenue, and technician performance. You need to be able to pull reports, not reconstruct reality from memory. If you’re just starting, something simple like Housecall Pro or Jobber works well. You can upgrade to ServiceTitan or a more robust system later as the business grows and you need more advanced features.

How do I know if my prices are too low?

Calculate your true cost per billable hour. Include labor, benefits, trucks, fuel, insurance, rent, software, and all overhead. Then compare that to what you’re actually charging per hour of billed work. If your net profit is under 10% at the end of the year and you’re working 60+ hours a week, you’re almost certainly undercharging. Busy and broke is not a success story. Compare your flat-rate menu to a budget-based target—not just to local competitors who may also be priced too low and struggling. Matching a failing company’s pricing just means you fail together.

When is the right time to hire my first office person or CSR?

If you’re missing calls while on jobs, returning voicemails at night, or losing leads because nobody answered, it’s already past time to bring in a CSR. A good rule of thumb: once your truck is busy full-time and you’re in the field most days, a dedicated office person usually pays for themselves in recovered booking opportunities. Every missed call is potential revenue walking away. Hire slightly before you feel “comfortable” to avoid growth bottlenecks. Waiting until you’re completely overwhelmed means you’ve already lost months of opportunities.

Can a small shop (one or two trucks) really put SOPs in place?

Absolutely—and small shops benefit most because every mistake hits harder. SOPs are just documented best practices, not corporate bureaucracy. Start simple:
  • A standard way to answer the phone
  • A checklist for each furnace tune-up
  • A basic script for presenting good-better-best options on replacements
One-page documents and short phone videos work fine. You don’t need fancy software or professional video production. Improve them over time as the team and company grow.

How involved should I be in the field after year 3?

Long term, you should focus mainly on leadership, finances, marketing, and key relationships—not running daily service calls. The business needs a CEO, not another tech. Aim to be out of the truck 80% of the time by years three through five. Use limited field time for high-impact training, complex jobs, or strategic customer visits—not filling the schedule because you’re short-handed. The more the business depends on you as a technician, the higher the risk of burnout and failure before the five-year mark. Build something that can run without you on every call.
The failure rate for home service businesses is sobering. But you now know the reasons contractors fail—and you know what to do about it. Whether you’re in year one or year four, the next 90 days can change your trajectory. Pick one area to fix first. Track the numbers. Build the systems. Make the shift from super tech to owner. Companies like Quality Heating, Cooling, Plumbing & Electric have been serving Greater Milwaukee and Southeastern Wisconsin since 1961 by doing exactly this: knowing their numbers, building systems, training their people, and treating the business like a business. Your technical skills got you this far. Now it’s time to develop the business skills that get you to year ten and beyond.

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